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danah boyd: Panel Discussion
By Nick Hodge | August 6, 2007
The following is a blog-best-effort transcript of danah boyd in Brisbane on the 6th August 2007. This is not a verbatim transcript.
This blog post, and Flickr images by Nick Hodge are licensed under the Creative Commons License:
Mark Pesce
sharing reinforces social bonds
people are sharing all the time. (eg; funny picture of self on flickr.com)
another page, eg from wikipedia
John Gilmore: the net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it
You can negotiate your privacy. it won't help; eventually someone will come over the barrier
wiki.markpesce.com hairball of personal information in our world.
example: mother's maiden name issue. because of the banking security.
Biggest threat to privacy isn't the gov't, it isn't corporations. it's your friends
Jennifer Wilson, Head of Innovation, NineMSN
9msn. what are people doing with mobile, online
"generation-C" empowered and always on. 13-27 behaviours
don't wear a watch
swedes: click-and-go
community/connected/creative/content
network 50-80 people. est 150. core network, can manage relationships in head
digital public spaces: communities are as relevant online, as offline
offline meatpace for online communitiies (twitter meetup eg)
increasingly we travel to meet up with digital communities that have formed
relationships online are as important as any other
we trust the networks we build in ters of recommendations, advice support
29 jobs, 5 different industries. change often
see right to grow as people and employees important
expectations on job/career advancement. companies 20-28, search for more money and career progression. personally strong, confidence. sense of entitlement in a world of full employment. digital industry movement expectations
mid April-June; facebook grew +93%
note, concept of facebook as an alien term.
people will move when their friends, > 23. ego and self is more important myspace. 17-18 responsibility/life stages -- facebook.
facebook has overtaken linkedin in Australia (number of members)
why is community relevant, commercial perspective. people will make decisions 29% no relationship, 71% they will get from network social network.
Why mobile:
Generation-C, own they phones. computer = control by others, phones = yours. most intimate of device.
SMS is the largest data applications on the planet. 1.8b users send SMS
37% of the planet have them. 35% are 3G. As SMS to 2G, Social networking 3G.
3.45b social networking on mobile is going to be big, big, big
moko UK, AU mobile community. alpha users, like all communities. freaks/geeks/queers as alpha users. 92,000 stats per country per day. 100% moderated. chat site telstra, afl. every MNO (mobile network operator)
yourTime: what's on. user reviews. etc.
jumbuck chat on nearly every carrier in the world. jumbuck island, SL/habbo online. 73minutes per day.
mig33 app; run network from java app on your phone. data over voice. packet model rulez.
bluepulse: designed bluetooth; widgets, buddies, place. have a room. flickr/yahoo/etc/msn IM -- run from within bluepulse.
bluetooth: 6degrees, signed up bluetooth; connected. generation-C ringtones, music, videos. wildfire.
podmo: bluetooth discovery. (nb: this whole world is out there. i can see why people hate closed iphone.and I don't get the cool stuff. time to go back to nokia, I reckonz. Email sucks. too much work and formal stuff. need to get cooler than that! (I've ignored all email 2 day. twittered some)
Bluetooth is the new black. Generation C. SNS are the killer app for 3G
Panelists:
Kristian Simento, St Peters Lutheran College
Elliot Bledsoe QuT/CC AU
Jennifer WIlson
danah boyd
Kristian: internal networking, no external blog that he knows of. myspace user. 6 months. joined because friends are there. peer pressure. 1 hour a day, as he is a moderator for the school. people who are joining in the school are actually from the school. legitimate: not saying something bad about the school. ensuring the digital face of the school is good.
social context: just remove it? include moderators removing the comment, and emailing the sender. most don't post again.
(nb: he's a digital censor, he works for the hegemony!)
Elliot: online editor, 4thousand. 900 subscribers from the 5th issue. Brisbane part of 3thousand.
email is about external people through an official pathway. myspace/facebook etc.
Question: Spam: Is it compromising SNS
- Jennifer: facebook friends more genuine in facebook vs. myspace.
- danah: spam taking off in different ways. myspace friend requests; phishing requests on myspace. now facebook apps that are spam. its an arms race. no one likes it, but it happens. massive spam increases in SNS as the target becomes larger.
- Jennifer: not that much SMS spam in AU due to charging arrangements; bluetooth spam (eg: dubai) where bluetooth apps are great.
- danah: turning off SMS in the US because of charging arrangement.
- elliot: what is spam? myspace example; useless stuff from their friends that is spam.
Question: attracting generation-C into teaching
- jennifer: recruitment: migration in commercial is different. great age divide. digital and media is a sexy industry. want to transfer prior to skills gathered.
- jennifer: generation C are time tolerant. but expect everything.
- danah: US different; paylevels. career. recc book "Generation Me" rise of narcissism with teens. want it now, they deserve it. how the data plays out, psychologist pov. self esteem movement took people further along than their skills. US skills shortage; no jobs for the working class is a different issue. balancing the belief that you are wonderful vs. skills building.
- elliot: digital technologies in the classroom; research - comes from ambiguous legal framework. teachers. eg: copyright. raft of new legislation. Elliot talking about digital technologies with creative stuff. defamation issues.
Mark Pesce: where stuff is banned in the classroom, you leave the 21st century. nb: hurrumphs in room from teachers.
- kristian: ooh, there are kids who only use wikipedia for their information. going back to the sources. look deeper. points out errors in brittanica and wikipedia online.
- danah: what to do with "keep out sign" on classroom. books are not always true, either 
history is taught by the winners in a mainstream narrative. Paradigm of rote learning is old school. kids should not be passive accepters of truth, should search it out themselves to do this. must be producers of knowledge. are teachers needing to change?
- elliot: mistakes in wikipedia; all students should be taught to question and analyse the information as it is presented to them.
- danah: experts have a particular view of knowledge. democratising knowledge is upsetting the knowledge cart. not formal qualifications - but many can contribute. Contributing is more important.
Question: how do we manage these multiple online identities
danah - identities - we cannot separate our digital/offline identities. blogging for 10 years. skill to be learned to understand the context. we cannot create walls as easily as we could. people are really drilling into the information are stalkers. cannot erase the past, but can write and write that update the opinions. evolving publically is important. the current is the most important.
elliot - cannot keep roles separate; I am who I am. no longer wearing hats. cannot deny the google history; just gotta keep adding to the google. young people are collapsing the barriers and walls. creating division is from external force. (parent safe myspace, non-parent safe myspace) old generation badder at this.
jennifer- multiple identities online; 4-6 online for years. multiple channels and streams of information. younger generation understands compartmentalisation of their identities.
elliot - different mediums to express different identities. SecondLife identity is different to other places..
mark - email/IM voice
danah - different audiences, different facets of who you are. not multiple identities. different roles. just like real life. search tools can collapse these in surprising ways. language fingerprinting in search engines. visual media searching, etc. doesn't mean a personal crisis. searchability is continuing
Question: 20yrs from now elliot and kristian are going for federal parliament seat. Parents are up in arms about for their future.
elliot: more representative representatives.
mark: question of trust.
danah: in the future, reality we understand it looks like. will the data really haunt us. (nb: lack of transparency worries me) danah fears those who are 16 now and they think they are going to be president some day. we learn from mistakes, opinions, discussions, conversations etc. people are not static, they evolve. they move on.
Question: healthcare workforce, students: skills usage/learning
elliot: stuff already exists in a different wrapper. technology filters into the workforce over time.
mark: organisations that don't accept SNS will be out-competed by those that do embrace these.
danah: control of information, transparency is important. why aren't teachers putting their stuff like syllbus closed? open it up. 66% messages are public wall. default public, private when necessary. this workforce comes from a default public paradigm.
elliot: if you can't say it publically, why say it? is advocate of public open education.
Question: teaching to write essays; better skills of communications, better than essays.
kristian: teachers must help the students critical analyse their work. and why their work was not good enough.
elliot: new ideas are hard
danah: how many have created a 5 paragraph paper. not 1000 words! standardised ed checkboxes killing education. synthesize, thesis, defend. adapt. don't just regurgitate, educate. what are we trying to teach when we teach writing? what is debate in a secondary oral society
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