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danah boyd: Panel Discussion

By Nick Hodge | August 6, 2007

The fol­low­ing is a blog-best-effort tran­script of danah boyd in Bris­bane on the 6th August 2007. This is not a ver­batim tran­script.

This blog post, and Flickr images by Nick Hodge are licensed under the Cre­at­ive Com­mons License:

Mark Pesce

shar­ing rein­forces social bonds

people are shar­ing all the time. (eg; funny pic­ture of self on flickr.com)

another page, eg from wikipedia

John Gilmore: the net inter­prets cen­sor­ship as dam­age and routes around it

You can nego­ti­ate your pri­vacy. it won’t help; even­tu­ally someone will come over the barrier

wiki.markpesce.com  hairball of per­sonal inform­a­tion in our world.

example: mother’s maiden name issue. because of the bank­ing security.

Biggest threat to pri­vacy isn’t the gov’t, it isn’t cor­por­a­tions. it’s your friends

Jen­nifer Wilson, Head of Innov­a­tion, NineMSN

9msn. what are people doing with mobile, online

“generation-C” empowered and always on. 13–27 behaviours

don’t wear a watch

swedes: click-and-go

community/connected/creative/content

net­work 50–80 people. est 150. core net­work, can man­age rela­tion­ships in head

digital pub­lic spaces: com­munit­ies are as rel­ev­ant online, as offline

off­line meat­pace for online com­munitiies (twit­ter meetup eg)

increas­ingly we travel to meet up with digital com­munit­ies that have formed

rela­tion­ships online are as import­ant as any other

we trust the net­works we build in ters of recom­mend­a­tions, advice support

29 jobs, 5 dif­fer­ent indus­tries. change often

see right to grow as people and employ­ees important

expect­a­tions on job/career advance­ment. com­pan­ies 20–28, search for more money and career pro­gres­sion. per­son­ally strong, con­fid­ence. sense of enti­tle­ment in a world of full employ­ment. digital industry move­ment expectations

mid April-June; face­book grew +93%

note, concept of face­book as an alien term.

people will move when their friends, > 23.  ego and self is more import­ant myspace. 17–18 responsibility/life stages — facebook.

face­book has over­taken linkedin in Aus­tralia (num­ber of members)

why is com­munity rel­ev­ant, com­mer­cial per­spect­ive. people will make decisions 29% no rela­tion­ship, 71% they will get from net­work social network.

Why mobile:

Generation-C, own they phones. com­puter = con­trol by oth­ers, phones = yours. most intim­ate of device.

SMS is the largest data applic­a­tions on the planet. 1.8b users send SMS

37% of the planet have them. 35% are 3G. As SMS to 2G, Social net­work­ing 3G.

3.45b social net­work­ing on mobile is going to be big, big, big

moko UK, AU mobile com­munity. alpha users, like all com­munit­ies. freaks/geeks/queers as alpha users. 92,000 stats per coun­try per day. 100% mod­er­ated. chat site tel­stra, afl. every MNO (mobile net­work operator)

your­Time: what’s on. user reviews. etc.

jum­buck chat on nearly every car­rier in the world. jum­buck island, SL/habbo online. 73minutes per day.

mig33 app; run net­work from java app on your phone. data over voice. packet model rulez.

blue­pulse: designed bluetooth; wid­gets, bud­dies, place. have a room. flickr/yahoo/etc/msn IM — run from within bluepulse.

bluetooth: 6degrees, signed up bluetooth; con­nec­ted. generation-C ring­tones, music, videos. wildfire.

podmo: bluetooth dis­cov­ery. (nb: this whole world is out there. i can see why people hate closed iphone.and I don’t get  the cool stuff. time to go back to nokia, I reck­onz. Email sucks. too much work and formal stuff. need to get cooler than that! (I’ve ignored all email 2 day. twittered some)

Bluetooth is the new black. Gen­er­a­tion C. SNS are the killer app for 3G

Pan­el­ists:

Kris­tian Simento, St Peters Lutheran College

Elliot Bled­soe QuT/CC AU

Jen­nifer WIlson

danah boyd

Kris­tian: internal net­work­ing, no external blog that he knows of. myspace user. 6 months. joined because friends are there. peer pres­sure. 1 hour a day, as he is a mod­er­ator for the school. people who are join­ing in the school are actu­ally from the school. legit­im­ate: not say­ing some­thing bad about the school. ensur­ing the digital face of the school is good.

social con­text: just remove it? include mod­er­at­ors remov­ing the com­ment, and email­ing the sender. most don’t post again.

(nb: he’s a digital cen­sor, he works for the hegemony!)

Elliot: online editor, 4thousand. 900 sub­scribers from the 5th issue. Bris­bane part of 3thousand.

email is about external people through an offi­cial path­way. myspace/facebook etc.

Ques­tion: Spam: Is it com­prom­ising SNS

- Jen­nifer: face­book friends more genu­ine in face­book vs. myspace.

- danah: spam tak­ing off in dif­fer­ent ways. myspace friend requests; phish­ing requests on myspace. now face­book apps that are spam. its an arms race. no one likes it, but it hap­pens. massive spam increases in SNS as the tar­get becomes larger.

- Jen­nifer: not that much SMS spam in AU due to char­ging arrange­ments; bluetooth spam (eg: dubai) where bluetooth apps are great.

- danah: turn­ing off SMS in the US because of char­ging arrangement.

- elliot: what is spam? myspace example; use­less stuff from their friends that is spam.

Ques­tion: attract­ing generation-C into teaching

- jen­nifer: recruit­ment: migra­tion in com­mer­cial is dif­fer­ent. great age divide. digital and media is a sexy industry. want to trans­fer prior to skills gathered.

- jen­nifer: gen­er­a­tion C are time tol­er­ant. but expect everything.

- danah: US dif­fer­ent; pay­levels. career. recc book “Gen­er­a­tion Me” rise of nar­ciss­ism with teens. want it now, they deserve it. how the data plays out, psy­cho­lo­gist pov. self esteem move­ment took people fur­ther along than their skills. US skills short­age; no jobs for the work­ing class is a dif­fer­ent issue. bal­an­cing the belief that you are won­der­ful vs. skills building.

- elliot: digital tech­no­lo­gies in the classroom; research — comes from ambigu­ous legal frame­work. teach­ers. eg: copy­right. raft of new legis­la­tion. Elliot talk­ing about digital tech­no­lo­gies with cre­at­ive stuff. defam­a­tion issues.

Mark Pesce: where stuff is banned in the classroom, you leave the 21st cen­tury. nb: hur­rumphs in room from teachers.

- kris­tian: ooh, there are kids who only use wiki­pe­dia for their inform­a­tion. going back to the sources. look deeper. points out errors in brit­tan­ica and wiki­pe­dia online.

- danah: what to do with “keep out sign” on classroom. books are not always true, either his­tory is taught by the win­ners in a main­stream nar­rat­ive. Paradigm of rote learn­ing is old school. kids should not be pass­ive accepters of truth, should search it out them­selves to do this. must be pro­du­cers of know­ledge. are teach­ers need­ing to change?

- elliot: mis­takes in wiki­pe­dia; all stu­dents should be taught to ques­tion and ana­lyse the inform­a­tion as it is presen­ted to them.

- danah: experts have a par­tic­u­lar view of know­ledge. demo­crat­ising know­ledge is upset­ting the know­ledge cart. not formal qual­i­fic­a­tions — but many can con­trib­ute. Con­trib­ut­ing is more important.

Ques­tion: how do we man­age these mul­tiple online identities

danah — iden­tit­ies — we can­not sep­ar­ate our digital/offline iden­tit­ies. blog­ging for 10 years. skill to be learned to under­stand the con­text. we can­not cre­ate walls as eas­ily as we could. people are really drilling into the inform­a­tion are stalk­ers. can­not erase the past, but can write and write that update the opin­ions. evolving pub­lic­ally is import­ant. the cur­rent is the most important.

elliot — can­not keep roles sep­ar­ate; I am who I am. no longer wear­ing hats. can­not deny the google his­tory; just gotta keep adding to the google. young people are col­lapsing the bar­ri­ers and walls. cre­at­ing divi­sion is from external force. (par­ent safe myspace, non-parent safe myspace) old gen­er­a­tion bad­der at this.

jen­nifer- mul­tiple iden­tit­ies online; 4–6 online for years. mul­tiple chan­nels and streams of inform­a­tion. younger gen­er­a­tion under­stands com­part­ment­al­isa­tion of their identities.

elliot — dif­fer­ent medi­ums to express dif­fer­ent iden­tit­ies. Second­Life iden­tity is dif­fer­ent to other places..

mark — email/IM voice

danah — dif­fer­ent audi­ences, dif­fer­ent facets of who you are. not mul­tiple iden­tit­ies. dif­fer­ent roles. just like real life. search tools can col­lapse these in sur­pris­ing ways. lan­guage fin­ger­print­ing in search engines. visual media search­ing, etc. doesn’t mean a per­sonal crisis. search­ab­il­ity is continuing

Ques­tion: 20yrs from now elliot and kris­tian are going for fed­eral par­lia­ment seat. Par­ents are up in arms about for their future.

elliot: more rep­res­ent­at­ive representatives.

mark: ques­tion of trust.

danah: in the future, real­ity we under­stand it looks like. will the data really haunt us. (nb: lack of trans­par­ency wor­ries me) danah fears those who are 16 now and they think they are going to be pres­id­ent some day. we learn from mis­takes, opin­ions, dis­cus­sions, con­ver­sa­tions etc. people are not static, they evolve. they move on.

Ques­tion: health­care work­force, stu­dents: skills usage/learning

elliot: stuff already exists in a dif­fer­ent wrap­per. tech­no­logy fil­ters into the work­force over time.

mark: organ­isa­tions that don’t accept SNS will be out-competed by those that do embrace these.

danah: con­trol of inform­a­tion, trans­par­ency is import­ant. why aren’t teach­ers put­ting their stuff like syll­bus closed? open it up. 66% mes­sages are pub­lic wall. default pub­lic, private when neces­sary. this work­force comes from a default pub­lic paradigm.

elliot: if you can’t say it pub­lic­ally, why say it? is advoc­ate of pub­lic open education.

Ques­tion: teach­ing to write essays; bet­ter skills of com­mu­nic­a­tions, bet­ter than essays.

kris­tian: teach­ers must help the stu­dents crit­ical ana­lyse their work. and why their work was not good enough.

elliot: new ideas are hard

danah: how many have cre­ated a 5 para­graph paper. not 1000 words! stand­ard­ised ed check­boxes killing edu­ca­tion. syn­thes­ize, thesis, defend. adapt. don’t just regur­git­ate, edu­cate. what are we try­ing to teach when we teach writ­ing? what is debate in a sec­ond­ary oral society

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